Archive for November 11th, 2009

Voices of Sanity on Dave Meltzer’s CHRIS & NANCY Review Blackout

I was clearly unfair in broad-brushing the Wrestling Observer discussion board as a Dave Meltzer echo chamber. The “Irv Muchnick on Big Dave” and “Irv Muchnick rips The board” threads include a couple of dissenting voices.

“kjharris” wrote that “it’s a little creepy and sad that Dave Meltzer hasn’t reviewed [CHRIS & NANCY]”:

Chris Benoit’s double murder suicide was one of the biggest stories of the decade. For all Irv’s flaws in marketing the book on his blog, his book is the most well researched book on the subject. Dave has reviewed plenty of WWE DVDs that trifle in significance to the subjects raised in Irv’s book. He’s probably going to review Hulk Hogan’s latest work of fiction too. Pointing out the inaccuracies in WWE’s or Hulk Hogan’s latest versions of history makes for entertaining informative reading, but it’s like shooting fish from the barrel. Or should we just wait till the next wrestler death or seizure or drug test failure or arrest to bring up the drug problems that are still rampant within the industry? And the cycle continues…”

“DanNJ316” agreed:

I haven’t read Muchnick’s book, so I can’t comment on it. But if Dave feels that there are inaccuracies in the book, then I’d like to hear about them from him. Let’s get everything out in the open. We’re not talking about who’s main eventing Wrestlemania here, we’re talking about arguably one of the biggest stories in wrestling’s history. To be honest, Dave is dropping the ball by choosing to ignore this book, and not doing a proper review of it. He reviews every other wrestling book that comes out. The fact that he wouldn’t review this book is pretty glaring.

I understand his thought process about not wanting to get into a pissing contest with Muchnick, and whatever else. But this story isn’t about that, it’s so much bigger than that. Dave needs to put his personal issues with Muchnick aside, and do what needs to be done. Get the truth out there. What about Muchnick said in the book is true, what’s a lie, and then let the people decide what they want to believe. This is not a story that can just be swept under the carpet, and forgotten about.”

(One poster replied that Meltzer doesn’t review “every” wrestling book, but the basic point obtains.)


Irv Muchnick

Wrestling Observer Discussion Board: Into the Den of the Wolves in Sheeps’ Clothing

Yesterday your humble blogger took his virtual book promotion to a place where few have ventured: the “Irv Muchnick on Big Dave [Meltzer]” thread of the discussion board at the website of Dave Meltzer’s Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

A grand time was had by all. And I must say that I was thoroughly trounced in this high-minded debate. I mean, it was a pure beatdown. A bloodbath.

A poster by the name of “worshiptheram”  kind of summed it up:

“irv gotta stick up the butt / he’s gotta stick / up the butt.”

I would provide a link to this precious piece of intellectual property, but that wouldn’t be right, as it’s behind the premium subscription wall at I don’t want to be caught violating the Digital Millennium Act and the Berne Convention. (One poster expressed surprise upon learning that I had published the legal threats of World Wrestling Entertainment lawyer Jerry McDevitt on my Twitter feed. “That doesn’t strike me as particularly scrupulous,” the poster said.)

Speaking of Berne, “allergic2light” from Zurich, also in Switzerland, brought some important perspective to the colloquy.

“I think we can agree that there is a symbiotic relationship going on here between you and our board,” he wrote.

“allergic2light” also hit the nail on the head when he noted that I had “admitted  to using [my] blog as a ‘marketing tool.’”

He further broke down the flaw in my writing, which he dubbed the “Muchnick Paradox” – presumably coming soon to a literature graduate studies seminar near you.

“Additionally, your arguments are absurd, because they are terribly negative.” Yeah, I’ve got to work on weeding out all that negativity from my investigation of a double murder/suicide.

Remember that this all started when Dave Meltzer told the board that he had fact-checked CHRIS & NANCY – but was now ignoring it because I had refused to let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Irv Muchnick

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November 2009